Whilst sifting through the many virtual reams of emails that is my Microsoft Outlook outbox, i found a little something I wrote around a year ago to Holdwater, the admin and creator of the site www.tallarmeniantale.com, a site dedicated to disproving the Armenian Genocide during which one and a half million Armenians are believed to have been massacred by Ottoman forces in around 1915. Using the pseudonym Michael Rozenthal, I sent a lengthy email to the website’s author in the hope he would at least respond to it. I get nothing. Gar Nichts.
So, some eleven months later I’m looking at the website and here with the express purpose to reveal some of the fallacies in Holdwater’s arguments. Unlike many Turks on the subject of the Armenian Massacres, he is engaging, well-read, and thought provoking. But wrong in many points. Here are but a few:
‘and every church in that city [istanbul] is still standing‘
Sorry, Mahmut. Just not true. In 1970 when Ataturk Bulvari was built, close to twelve historic Byzantine Churches were destroyed. Also, I think the riots of the 1960s destroyed a great deal of the ecclesiastical heritage ‘that city’ has. I think maybe next time you’re in Istanbul, take a visit to the formerly 80% Greek district of Fener. I’m not a Muslim and don’t profess to know as much about Islam as I’d like to, but most original mosques don’t have apses and naves in their architecture, do they?
‘Turkish children are actually taught to respect Armenia’
Sure, sure. And Hitler was a Communist. Of course Turkish children aren’t taught to respect Armenia. There are reports from some travel writers of Turkish children who had been taught to believe that the Aghia Sophia was built by Seljuk Turks. The Turkish curriculum inspires a god-worship of Ataturk and latent nationalism which does not do Turkey any favours. No wonder so many Turks are still willing to hold up the apalling Article 301 of the Turkish constitution.
‘I don’t know anything about the city called ANI. There is no city in Turkey of that name’
You wish, huh? As someone who’s actually visited there, I can very much say that Ani exists. Right on the Armenian border, one had to obtain Turkish military permission to visit there until relatively recently- now, the government has realised that its anti-Armenian idealism will bring the impoverished inhabitants of that reason no bread on the table, and have since opened it up for tourists to encourage development. Acceptance of these Armenian monuments, of which there are several thousand all over Eastern Turkey, is a must if any steps are to be taken.
In the valley of Khtzonk, near Ani, there used to be five churches. Now there is one? Why- well, let’s just say the Turkish army had some fun with dynamite back in the 1980s. Just like when the Ataturk Dam was created back then- a fortune in Turkish Lira was spent in saving Muslim monuments, whilst Christian sites were left to be flooded.
‘There was, however, one nation where the Jews did not have to endure the large-scale persecution characterizing their entire existence. This haven was Turkey’
and
‘Unfortunately, many Jews are ignorant of the good historic deeds of one of their very, very good historic friends. Their ignorance and prejudice helps many of them believe whatever their fellow genocide sufferers the Armenians tell them’
Now these two excerpts quite frankly disgust me. Is this goy a learned meshuggah? I think not. Basically, he’s telling Jews all over the world to shut up and be greatful to the Turkish consuls to Rhodes and Marseilles for saving them from the Nazis. Somehow, this means that Jews cannot stand up for their beliefs if that means agreeing with Armenians.
Jews are likely to unite with their fellow diaspora races- notably the Armenians and Assyrians (who also have a genocide claim against Turkey- the Safyo). Turkey did do good for the Jews, but this is quite frankly irrelevant to the Armenian Genocide, and Holdwater just uses this as a way to save face from the accusations of the Armenian Genocide. Someone can be racist to one group but not another- even if a nation is capable of not being anti-Semitic, that doesn’t mean it can’t be Anti-Armenian.
In fact, during the Second World War, many Jews had their property confiscated by the Turkish Government which was under intense pressure from Axis and Allied powers alike. There were also riots against the Jews of Turkey during the 1950s and 1960s- why do you think there are hardly any left in Istanbul nowadays? Turkey is far from a haven for Jews (Neve Shalom Syangogue, 2005?). Its government may have been very noble in being the first Muslim one to recognise Israel, but why label Turkey as Muslim, Holdwater? You’ve just praised the extent of its secularism for half your website and now you go back on that? Oh well. Turkey’s secularism (or lack thereof) is another matter entirely. But this is a secular nation which demands its citizens to put their religion on their identity cards. Funny, that.
‘many Armenians even fought for the SS Divisions during the Second World War’
And? That, my friend, is quite an absurd ground for argument. Armenians were killed in 1915, you admit, but you state that that this was merely the actions of some groups not affiliated with the Ottoman government. I dare say the same is true of these Armenians who fought with the SS. Oswald Mosely was an admirer of Hitler’s, but that doesn’t mean that all Brits were fascist. This argument is misguided and irrelevant- and does not become you, judging from some of the interesting and incisive points you have made in Turkey’s defence elsewhere on your website. Practically every area of the USSR which was taken over by the Nazi forces raised some collaborators. The Ossetians, Georgians, Kalmyks… you name it. But that doesn’t blame entire ethnic groups and gives you no right to whatsoever. There was even a Bosnian Muslim SS division (founded by Hajj Amin Husseini, Arafat’s uncle) during WWII, but that doesn’t label all Bosniaks as intolerant and Anti-Semitic. Or do you believe that only Christians can only be anti-Semites?
‘A Massacre at Van- not well translated but no less chilling- one family’s ordeal in Van in 1915 at the hands of the Armenians‘
The same again. The phrase ‘one family’s ordeal’ cries out. Especially the word ‘one’.
‘Opression of Eastern Turkestan by the Chinese- the Turkic Uyghurs are yet another International Irrelevance’
No. Ever heard of Rebiya Kadeer? I’m not going to post them all, but this site of disproving the Armenian Genocide has turned into Turkish propaganda. Other categories on the same page include ‘Greek Human Rights Abuses’ and the ‘Circassian Genocide’. Why are these relevant? I’ll tell you why- as a way of trying to prove that Turkey is absolved from all blame from the Pontine Greek Genocide, Armenian Genocide, and Safyo, as well as the chilling idea that ‘other genocides have happened so live with it’. This quickly mutates into taking a stab at the Greeks to defend Turkey’s honour. Holdwater also asks why ‘Turkey is so heterogenerous whilst neighbouring Armenia is 100% ethnically pure’. Fact is, Armenia isn’t. There are Yezidi, Kurds, Assyrians, Russians, Arabs, and plenty of other nationalities in Armenia. There are plenty of other nationalities in Turkey, but not as many Armenians as there would be. The facts are shockingly simple. 1.5 million Armenians. Where did they go? It’s also interesting how all the minorities named who are oppressed are either Turkic or Muslim. Do I detect the teeniest smear of Turanism here?
Holdwater also admits that ‘it is not the purpose of this website to get to the Kurdish issue’- if so, then why do you mention many other totally irrelevant genocides and events to have a good old stab at Turkey’s old enemy Greece? You can’t have your cake and eat it. Either you make it ‘tallarmeniankurdishgreekassyriantale.com’ or ‘tallarmeniantale.com’, not both.
And no, the Kurds aren’t a ‘double standard with Spain’s Basques’. The Basques have autonomy, the right to use their language in public and to be taught it on the government’s expense in Basque schools, and the right to fly their flag. I’ve been to Van, in the Kurdish heartland of South-Western Turkey, and what did I see. Plenty of posters advertising how to be a good mehmetçik, no doubt, but not a smidgen of Kurdish did I see written anywhere. In a city which is 90% Kurdish and Zaza. Oh, and there are around 15 million Kurds in Turkey, and 2.5 million Basques in Spain. So no, there is no double standard between the two.
‘naturally, in recent decades it’s not the Kurds the Turks have had an issue with’
Oh no? So why are all Kurdish political parties banned and their TV and radio stations made illegal? Come on, we know the Turks have an issue with the Kurds, not just the PKK. Part of the reason Turkey was so against the invasion of Iraq was because that it knew that if the Kurds in Iraq gained autonomy, the Kurds in Turkey would want it too. Which leaves me to ask, why is there such a big problem with Kurdish autonomy?
I suppose a vast Turkish slogan painted on the side of a rocky outcrop outside Van answers that for me- ‘the state will never be divided’. Autonomy doesn’t mean division for the state.
I’m not a scholar of the Ottoman Empire or Armenia. But one thing I think is a little strange is the Turkish refusal to even admit that any anti-Armenian massacres took place, even if they refuse to realise the possibility of a genocide. And when irrefutable proof is given that massacres occurred, the ‘treachery’ of the Armenians is always mentioned as if it is an excuse.
I’m confused myself now. But one thing I am sure about are two things:
1.) Orhan Pamuk’s prosecution is a chief example of the Turkish unwillingness to even listen to other points of view other than the government’s own. Fair enough if the Turks want to prove that the Genocide didn’t happen, but to ban the opposition’s right to argue? Not cricket, I’m afraid.
2.) Hrant Dink and his assassination. What was the cheering all about? Why was he treated as a hero by the Istanbul Police? There obviously is racism against Armenians in Turkey. And it is folly to say otherwise.
Just a little disclaimer I feel I ought to make- I lived in Istanbul for a number of years and found Turkey a very friendly and engaging country. Definitely one of my favourites because of its history and culture. So, any Bay or Bayan who happen to chance upon this article, don’t call me a racist. Just a realist. The two words are very similar, so please don’t mix them up.
And lastly, an Armenian proverb I think quite appropriate here:
Արևն ամպի տակ չի մնայ – The sun won’t always be hidden in the clouds
He of the unusually Turkish username:
Mehmet12